ALVIN UBELL: How much longer? That was my reaction. Today, Robert drags Jad along on a parade for the surprising feats of brainless plants. And I do that in my brain. You just used a very interesting word. And not too far away from this tree, underground, there is a water pipe. And we were all like, "Oh, my goodness! And the plant still went to the place where the pipe was not even in the dirt? An expert. Jun 3, 2019 - In our Animal Minds episode, we met a group of divers who rescued a humpback whale, then shared a really incredible moment.a moment in which the divers are convinced that the whale . We pulled Jigs out and we threw him in the lake with a great deal of yelping and cursing and swearing, and Jigs was cleaned off. It's like every time I close my eyes, you're coming at it from a different direction. So Pavlov started by getting some dogs and some meat and a bell. Have you hugged your houseplant today? And I met a plant biologist who's gonna lead that parade. AATISH BHATIA: So this is our plant dropper. It's a costly process for this plant, but ROBERT: She figured out they weren't tired. It's as if the individual trees were somehow thinking ahead to the needs of the whole forest. But it didn't happen. And the tree gets the message, and it sends a message back and says, "Yeah, I can do that.". Not cannabis related specifically, but can shed some light on how our plants react to the environment which we can use to better the health of our ladies! This is the plant and pipe mystery. JAD: We've all seen houseplants do that, right? But over the next two decades, we did experiment after experiment after experiment that verified that story. ROBERT: So light is -- if you shine light on a plant you're, like, feeding it? And it's that little, little bit of moisture that the plant will somehow sense. ROBERT: This final thought. And then what happens? And if you don't have one, by default you can't do much in general. Because I have an appointment. All right. And so now we're down there. I go out and I thought there's no one here on Sunday afternoon. I mean, Jigs was part of the family. Well, so what's the end of the story? JENNIFER FRAZER: Into which she put these sensitive plants. Jad and Robert, they are split on this one. You got the plant to associate the fan with food. That's okay. ROBERT: And right in the middle of the yard is a tree. Fan, light, lean. The Ubells see this happening all the time. She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree With their chemical language. The same one that are used in computers like, you know, really tiny. JENNIFER FRAZER: Yeah. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: And lastly, a friendly reminder. So this is our plant dropper. ROBERT: I'm not making this up. Or maybe slower? I don't want that.". She actually trained this story in a rather elaborate experimental setup to move away from the light and toward a light breeze against all of its instincts. You need the nutrients that are in the soil. JENNIFER FRAZER: Then he would bring them the meat and he would ring a bell. ROBERT: This happens to a lot of people. Of Accurate Building Inspectors. Picture one of those parachute drops that they have at the -- at state fairs or amusement parks where you're hoisted up to the top. What do you mean? A tree needs something else. A little while back, I had a rather boisterous conversation with these two guys. And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. It just kept curling. Share. They shade each other out. MONICA GAGLIANO: And it's good it was Sunday. If you get too wrapped up in your poetic metaphor, you're very likely to be misled and to over-interpret the data. ROBERT: I don't think Monica knows the answer to that, but she does believe that, you know, that we humans MONICA GAGLIANO: We are a little obsessed with the brain. LARRY UBELL: Or it's just the vibration of the pipe that's making it go toward it. And the salivation equivalent was the tilt of the plant? And again. ROBERT: And her family included a dog named Jigs. Ring, meat, eat. Because if I let you go it's gonna be another 20 minutes until I get to talk. Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. No, Summer is a real person and her last name happens to be spelled R-A-Y-N-E. JENNIFER FRAZER: I am the blogger of The Artful Amoeba at Scientific American. Is that what -- is that what this? ROBERT: Now that's a very, you know, animals do this experiment, but it got Monica thinking. Or maybe it's the fungus under the ground is kind of like a broker and decides who gets what. No, it's far more exciting than that. This way there is often more questions than answers, but that's part of the fun as well. ROBERT: And you can actually see this happen. But the Ubells have noticed that even if a tree is 10 or 20, 30 yards away from the water pipe, for some reason the tree roots creep with uncanny regularity straight toward the water pipe. Like, would they figure it out faster this time? In 1997, a couple of scientists wrote a paper which describes how fungi Jennifer says that what the tubes do is they worm their way back and forth through the soil until they bump into some pebbles. Then Monica hoists the plant back up again and drops it again. They're called feeder roots. But the Ubells have noticed that even if a tree is 10 or 20, 30 yards away from the water pipe, for some reason the tree roots creep with uncanny regularity straight toward the water pipe. So they can't move. As abundant as what was going on above ground. Listen to Radiolab: "Smarty Plants" on Pandora - Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? So just give me some birds. View SmartyPlantsRadioLab Transcript (2).docx from CHEM 001A at Pasadena City College. JENNIFER FRAZER: Right? ROBERT: I wanted to talk to them because, as building inspectors they -- there's something they see over and over and over. JENNIFER FRAZER: But we don't know. Or it could be like, "Okay, I'm not doing so well, so I'm gonna hide this down here in my ceiling.". Can you -- will you soften your roots so that I can invade your root system?" LARRY UBELL: No, I don't because she may come up against it, people who think that intelligence is unique to humans. And with these two stimuli, she put the plants, the little pea plants through a kind of training regime. It involves a completely separate organism I haven't mentioned yet. Well, it depends on who you ask. Plants are amazing, and this world is amazing and that living creatures have this ability for reasons we don't understand, can't comprehend yet." You should definitely go out and check out her blog, The Artful Amoeba, especially to the posts, the forlorn ones about plants. Jad and Robert, theyare split on this one. Our store also offers Grooming, Training, Adoptions, Veterinary and Curbside Pickup. So they followed the sound of the barking and it leads them to an outhouse. He's not a huge fan of. Every one of them. And the plant still went to the place where the pipe was not even in the dirt? JAD: So today we have a triptych of experiments about plants. 37 minutes Posted Jul 8, 2021 at 7:35 am. And they still remembered. If a nosy deer happens to bump into it, the mimosa plant Curls all its leaves up against its stem. Each one an ounce, an ounce, an ounce, an ounce, an ounce. No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. She took some plants, put them in a pot that restricted the roots so they could only go in one of just two directions, toward the water pipe or away from the water pipe. Which by the way, is definitely not a plant. Like trees of different species are supposed to fight each other for sunshine, right? It's a -- it's a three-pronged answer. I don't know if that was the case for your plants. JAD: Yes. I've always loved Radiolab. I think there is something like a nervous system in the forest, because it's the same sort of large network of nodes sending signals to one another. But we are in the home inspection business. Well, I asked Suzanne about that. I don't know yet. LATIF: It's like Snow White and The Seven Tubes or something. ROBERT: And he pokes it at this little springtail, and the springtail goes boing! Each one an ounce, an ounce, an ounce, an ounce, an ounce. And so on. Kind of even like, could there be a brain, or could there be ears or, you know, just sort of like going off the deep end there. So they didn't. JENNIFER FRAZER: Then he would bring them the meat and he would ring a bell. So maybe the root hairs, which are always found right at the growing tips of plant roots, maybe plant roots are like little ears. I thought okay, so this is just stupid. ROBERT: I don't think Monica knows the answer to that, but she does believe that, you know, that we humans MONICA GAGLIANO: We are a little obsessed with the brain. So that voice belongs to Aatish Bhatia, who is with Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. She says a timber company would move in and clear cut an entire patch of forest, and then plant some new trees. I mean, Jigs was part of the family. LINCOLN TAIZ: I think you can be open-minded but still objective. JENNIFER FRAZER: Or it could be like, "Okay, I'm not doing so well, so I'm gonna hide this down here in my ceiling.". So we're really -- like this is -- we're really at the very beginning of this. That was my reaction. MONICA GAGLIANO: Pretty much like the concept of Pavlov with his dog applied. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, we turn our brain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? JENNIFER FRAZER: They're some other kind of category. ROBERT: And some of them, this is Lincoln Taiz LINCOLN TAIZ: I'm a professor emeritus of plant biology at UC Santa Cruz. The glass is not broken. ROBERT: And the classic case of this is if you go back a few centuries ago, someone noticed that plants have sex. Landing very comfortably onto a padded base made of foam. However, if that's all they had was carbon That's Roy again. But they do have root hairs. There was a healthier community when they were mixed and I wanted to figure out why. It's condensation. She made sure that the dirt didn't get wet, because she'd actually fastened the water pipe to the outside of the pot. They run out of energy. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. So it's predicting something to arrive. What -- I forgot to ask you something important. Or maybe slower? JENNIFER FRAZER: They had learned to associate the sound of the bell ROBERT: Which has, you know, for dogs has nothing to do with meat. [laughs]. ROBERT: Could a plant learn to associate something totally random like a bell with something it wanted, like food? ROBERT: Monica says what she does do is move around the world with a general feeling of ROBERT: What if? 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